Anyone tried the ohlins dfv coilovers?

[plip1953]

Originally Posted by peeler

They felt no better than the teins that were fitted, and I had them set up at nitron and the car was corner weighted !!

Nitron may be good at making coilovers, but (by their own admission) not necessarily all that good at setting them up on an Evo. For that you need to take them to and Evo specialist.

[Tonks]

How does the BC ER kit rate against the Ohlins or is that just a stupid question?

[peeler]

Originally Posted by plip1953

Nitron may be good at making coilovers, but (by their own admission) not necessarily all that good at setting them up on an Evo. For that you need to take them to and Evo specialist.

That may of been the case Phil, but I certainly would spend my cash on them again.

It's a mine field like most things evo related

[kenny1]

Originally Posted by plip1953

Nitron may be good at making coilovers, but (by their own admission) not necessarily all that good at setting them up on an Evo. For that you need to take them to and Evo specialist.

What's hard about putting a som camber, castor and tow on a car when they've been given various settings already by an MLR trader?

They set mine up very well and I haven't touched the settings fi requested for about 18 months. Top job by nitron.

[clivew]

Originally Posted by Tonks

How does the BC ER kit rate against the Ohlins or is that just a stupid question?

The Ohlins are in a different league Jamie.

[clivew]

Originally Posted by kenny1

What's hard about putting a som camber, castor and tow on a car when they've been given various settings already by an MLR trader?

They set mine up very well and I haven't touched the settings fi requested for about 18 months. Top job by nitron.

When he means setting up, he means adjusting slow and fast bump and rebound.

99% haven't a clue how to set up suspension in combination with anti-roll bar settings, tyre pressures and diff settings, thus comments from Peeler about preferring Teins to 3 way Nitrons.

No slur against him or anyone else, as it needs a lot of time, effort and testing to learn how to adjust things to obtain the handling and balance that you personally want.

A one way Tein would be much easier to adjust as the adjustments make much less difference so will initially feel quicker and easier to drive.

Decent 3 way stuff will actually feel worse until it's adjusted correctly unless you're very lucky. Each adjustment makes a lot of difference, so until all 3 adjustments are in the sweet spot, it may feel awful.

Once set up correctly for the individual driver, they would allow the car to be driven far, far quicker.

Thus why race teams use complex suspension data logging to help them.

And traders will always say their products are great, of course they will, they are selling them!!

[kenny1]

Originally Posted by clivew

When he means setting up, he means adjusting slow and fast bump and rebound.

Didn't realise he meant that as that differs from car to car and each customer would need a half day with Nitron to set them up properly. In fact it would differ from track to track and event to event depending which tyres are used so I'm not sure why Nitron would need to adjust the slow and fast bump and rebound for the customer. The only set-up they offered when I bought mine was geometry and corner weighting. With the adjustments, they advised me to put them all in the middle and adjust from there depending on what I'm doing....which is fine.

[clivew]

Originally Posted by kenny1

In fact it would differ from track to track and event to event depending which tyres are used so I'm not sure why Nitron would need to adjust the slow and fast bump and rebound for the customer.

Once adjusted to the sweet spot, the settings wouldn't required much changing, you'd want two set-ups, one for dry and one for wet. You may find adjustment or disconnection of the anti-roll bars is all you need for the wet, but again it's all personal. The main thing is understanding what each setting does and how it effects the car when adjusted to allow you to 'tweak' correctly.

Originally Posted by kenny1

The only set-up they offered when I bought mine was geometry and corner weighting. With the adjustments, they advised me to put them all in the middle and adjust from there depending on what I'm doing....which is fine.

Centre adjustment is probably way out from optimum, so isn't really much help, but Nitron know that each customer will have to learn and adjust for themselves, so the middle setting is just a 'datum' meant to be changed as soon as testing begins. (as you said)

The reality is, thousands are spent on sprint cars, but only a very few have decent suspension and from these, a very small percentage spend time testing and actually know how to set-it up correctly.

The amount of times I've heard 'at the track we just wound it to full hard all round and it was great' !

[VR-4Squid]

Originally Posted by clivew

The reality is, thousands are spent on sprint cars, but only a very few have decent suspension and from these, a very small percentage spend time testing and actually know how to set-it up correctly.

The amount of times I've heard 'at the track we just wound it to full hard all round and it was great' !

Simple reason for that, few amateurs get enough seat time to develop the consistency neccessary to make any useful deductions from testing suspension settings.
Unless the driver can do 5 or 6 laps within a tenth of a second (or less) of each other, pit for adjustments to be made, then go out and do another 5 or 6 laps that are within a tenth of each other you could spend as many days as you like testing suspension settings and get nowhere.

[clivew]

Originally Posted by VR-4Squid

Simple reason for that, few amateurs get enough seat time to develop the consistency neccessary to make any useful deductions from testing suspension settings.
Unless the driver can do 5 or 6 laps within a tenth of a second (or less) of each other, pit for adjustments to be made, then go out and do another 5 or 6 laps that are within a tenth of each other you could spend as many days as you like testing suspension settings and get nowhere.

Absolutely, and even if you have this consistency and track time, you still need to have the knowledge of what each adjustment does, and how it effects the car.

[Bren@Apex]

Originally Posted by Tonks

How does the BC ER kit rate against the Ohlins or is that just a stupid question?

There were multiple cars in TA last weekend running BC Racing products.

Peeler running ER Series who was a second behind last years overall TA Pro champion on road tyres vs slicks

The BC Racing Impreza on ER Series coming 3rd in Pro despite that being the first time the car had run this year and with multiple issues in warm up and qualfying and running on low boost due to a faulty map sensor.

Simon in his Focus RS winning club fwd on BR Series, beating last years champion Bo Nielsen in the process. EDIT: Bo must have had an issue looking at his times.

The SVA Imports Evo also runs ER Series and came 8th out of all Pro classes (Club, Pro and Extreme).

Im not claiming that BC Racing are on a par with Ohlins but on the other hand they are a viable product in their own right. They have their place in the market

[Bren@Apex]

If anyone interested in Ohlins DFV kits then if you stuggle to source them for the earlier 4-9 cars then bear in mind that we have three kits arriving around the 24th Ohlins have revised their pricing, the 789 kit now retails at £2202.43, the X kit at £2356.14.

The fluctuations you have seen in pricing recently has all stopped, the above prices are now stable. There are no new style kits being released, there will be no more massive price variations as seen recently.

[killin1]

Originally Posted by Bren@Apex

If anyone interested in Ohlins DFV kits then if you stuggle to source them for the earlier 4-9 cars then bear in mind that we have three kits arriving around the 24th Ohlins have revised their pricing, the 789 kit now retails at £2202.43, the X kit at £2356.14.

The fluctuations you have seen in pricing recently has all stopped, the above prices are now stable. There are no new style kits being released, there will be no more massive price variations as seen recently.

So regarding my bc er coilovers in exchange Bren what would overall price be since prices are stable?

Pm please

[Bren@Apex]

Similar overall deal as before when it comes to the final price to you. The very generous exchange price was based on the old retail. I cant offer the same px price at the new retail, Id be giving the Ohlins away

Id give you £899 for the ER Series against a new Ohlins kit.

Our 456 kit is now £2299.

[plip1953]

Originally Posted by Bren@Apex

Peeler running ER Series who was a second behind last years overall TA Pro champion on road tyres vs slicks

True, but another car that beat Peeler (also running 1B tyres) was Andrew Barbour, and his car has Nitrons. Furthermore, Andrew switched over from BC to Nitron at the start of this season. I think I know which make he prefers