Hate to ask, but......£2k what to do?

[KIERAN BARKER]

Originally Posted by Matt_H18

Hmmmm TT do the S204 for £650+vat, if I'm struggling to find a s/h IX tubby would the S204 be a decent route to go down?

http://www.turbotechnics.com/docs/turbo/hybridrange.htm

i'm not really into hybrid turbos tbh so I wouldn't know or have a clue

[Beetle3501]

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-on_138721.htm

[burgers22]

For all the agro of doing it yourself, just take it to Rich at RGs. No skinned knuckles and you know it's done right. He can map it as well.

On the brakes get the hoeses done, makes a huge difference to the feel, and PF or Carbotech pads. PF are a bit more ear freindly.

[Matt_H18]

Originally Posted by burgers22

For all the agro of doing it yourself, just take it to Rich at RGs. No skinned knuckles and you know it's done right. He can map it as well.

On the brakes get the hoeses done, makes a huge difference to the feel, and PF or Carbotech pads. PF are a bit more ear freindly.

Can RG re-map the existing ECU?

[Matt_H18]

Originally Posted by Beetle3501

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-on_138721.htm

Nice one for that, they make it look easy

[Robmgti]

Originally Posted by Matt_H18

Can RG re-map the existing ECU?

Yes he can - does a damn good job as well My car was ECUTekd by Rich before i got it.

How about an alternative suggestion Matt. Dont spend 2k, instead just get yourself a fuel pump, Gizzmo boost controller, some braided brake lines, decent brake fluid and some decent pads. Then go get a Geek to remap her. Will save you money that you can pay for fuel / servicing and the difference will be huge.

Forget changing turbos and cams, save the money for day to day costs - therefor freeing up money for other things! A holiday as an example!

Only suggesting this as you mentioned it yours daily drive

Rob

[GavEvo6]

The IX turbo is over rated imo. I am yet to see one out perform my 8mr turbo on the road? Save your money and get a 10.5 hotside(£200ish) for your existing turbo. Plus save money again and get some MR cams(£100ish), again on the road GSC's and HKS 272's are not worth the extra money. Forget boost controllers, get a 3port solenoid a fuel pump then map it to 1.75, you should see close to 300atw.

You should have quite a bit of change left to get some PF.10 brake pads(£140ish) and new standard disks(130ish)

Spend the rest on yourself

[scoobyslayer]

mat you could buy my old catch tank cusco very shiny 40quid would stop det when you up the boost stops that nasty oil vapour going in & cloging things up have a forge recert too if you want it holds @ least 1.6 bar as for rich he is good nothing is out of the question his putting me 2.4 lump in hopfuly when its done so i dont get spaner rash lol

[John F]

If I was in the OP's position I would do the following:

1. Get a fuel 255 pump. You can fit that yourself
2. Buy a second hand turbo. Either a Evo 9 80 series, S204 or FP Green. Keep your existing turbo incase you have any problems.
3. Ebay turbo elbow.
4. HKS 272 cams and adjustable pulleys. These come up for sale on the forum every now and again but you'll have to be quick. These cams are fine on stock springs. With the mileage on your motor you should get the cam belt changed when the cams are done.
5. Wideband such as LC1
6. A boost gauge or display to monitor boost.
7. Spend a lot of time learning about Ecuflash and Evoscan. Start adjusting timing and fueling in small steps.
8. Get a 3 port solenoid and start upping the boost.

[stu8]

if it was my money, i wouldn't bother with the 9 tubby, just get a 10.5 hotside, i also missed a 3 port boost solenoid off my earlier list. But being a 260 engine i would change the cams. Standard cams off a 260 become very restrictive after 350 hp, and changing them transforms the engine

As for RGMotorsport, another +1 from me

Stu

[dal.a]

Originally Posted by Beetle3501

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-on_138721.htm

Thats the Kiddie

[Matt_H18]

Originally Posted by Robmgti

Yes he can - does a damn good job as well My car was ECUTekd by Rich before i got it.

How about an alternative suggestion Matt. Dont spend 2k, instead just get yourself a fuel pump, Gizzmo boost controller, some braided brake lines, decent brake fluid and some decent pads. Then go get a Geek to remap her. Will save you money that you can pay for fuel / servicing and the difference will be huge.

Forget changing turbos and cams, save the money for day to day costs - therefor freeing up money for other things! A holiday as an example!

Only suggesting this as you mentioned it yours daily drive

Rob

Good call Rob, but I seem to remember someone suggesting that the stock ECU when re-mapped can do just as good a job at handling boost as any boost controller when used with a decent solenoid, anyone know if this is correct?

Just had a holiday Rob, nice suggestion, but they're definitly over rated, why the **** does it take so damn long to get anywhere these days? Left my house at 3:30 a.m and arrived at the villa in Crete at 16:00 local time which is 2 hours ahead of us, I was shafted after all that!

Originally Posted by GavEvo6

The IX turbo is over rated imo. I am yet to see one out perform my 8mr turbo on the road? Save your money and get a 10.5 hotside(£200ish) for your existing turbo. Plus save money again and get some MR cams(£100ish), again on the road GSC's and HKS 272's are not worth the extra money. Forget boost controllers, get a 3port solenoid a fuel pump then map it to 1.75, you should see close to 300atw.

You should have quite a bit of change left to get some PF.10 brake pads(£140ish) and new standard disks(130ish)

Spend the rest on yourself

So am I right in thinking that fitting the 10.5 hotside would leave me with the same speck turbo as an 8 MR??? Plus as I won't go boost mad would it be safer to run a IX turbo at the same boost level as my current turbo with the 10.5 hotside installed? Or am I talking through my ring piece?

Also, would a tuner such as RG be happy to install 2nd hand parts if I decided I'm too much of a chicken to do the work myself? I just thought last night that there might be a few tuners opposed to doing this, understandably of course.

Originally Posted by scoobyslayer

mat you could buy my old catch tank cusco very shiny 40quid would stop det when you up the boost stops that nasty oil vapour going in & cloging things up have a forge recert too if you want it holds @ least 1.6 bar as for rich he is good nothing is out of the question his putting me 2.4 lump in hopfuly when its done so i dont get spaner rash lol

I'm not too fussed about shiny stuff, but I had no idea that a catch tank served any purpose other than to look shiny and keep the engine bay a little cleaner? Thanks for the offer, does anyone else think it would be a reasonable addition? And at £40 it wouldn't do too much harm to the budget?

Originally Posted by John F

If I was in the OP's position I would do the following:

1. Get a fuel 255 pump. You can fit that yourself
2. Buy a second hand turbo. Either a Evo 9 80 series, S204 or FP Green. Keep your existing turbo incase you have any problems.
3. Ebay turbo elbow.
4. HKS 272 cams and adjustable pulleys. These come up for sale on the forum every now and again but you'll have to be quick. These cams are fine on stock springs. With the mileage on your motor you should get the cam belt changed when the cams are done.
5. Wideband such as LC1
6. A boost gauge or display to monitor boost.
7. Spend a lot of time learning about Ecuflash and Evoscan. Start adjusting timing and fueling in small steps.
8. Get a 3 port solenoid and start upping the boost.

I'm not sure if I could go through with trying to tinker with fuelling and/or boost myself to be honest, I did on my MR2 but that seemed so basic in comparison using a simple dawes device and a boost gauge, but the Evo is a completely different beast.

I don't really know anything about that side of things and I don't have any mates to call on for help and advice, I know there are people on here who offer tonnes of help and advice such as now, but I couldn't afford to wait for a response to a thread if I make a hash of things

Originally Posted by stu8

if it was my money, i wouldn't bother with the 9 tubby, just get a 10.5 hotside, i also missed a 3 port boost solenoid off my earlier list. But being a 260 engine i would change the cams. Standard cams off a 260 become very restrictive after 350 hp, and changing them transforms the engine

As for RGMotorsport, another +1 from me

Stu

Ok so I'm pretty sold on Cams now, do people with MR's change their cams? If so this would suggest little point in me going down the MR cam route?

Thanks to everyone by the way, I really appreciate everyone's input

[Andy_8]

Originally Posted by stu8

thing is though, he has a 260 engine, the cams are rubbish in them, and a major limit to his potential power gains, if it was a gsr, fq, or better still MR, i'd say not to bother

Stu

Have you ever tested your theory ? I had 352bhp/365lbft on a standard 260 engine at 1.5bar

Change the standard cams only for GSC S1 and got 358bhp/380lbft

With the budget he has and not being able to do the cams himself i just don't see the point in the outlay for the return.

I repeated the test on my current engine set up. Again all that was changed was cams this time with springs and retainers swapping from 1st Gen GSC S1 to Kelford 272 and gained an extra 4.2 bhp peak and 5lbft with a smidgen gain in the mid range torque curve.

Again i have to question if it's worth it for the gain especially as this guy is not on a massive budget.

I've seen reported 380 to 390 lbft on standard 260 cams at 1.8 bar. I think it would be better to spend £180 or less on adjustable cam pullies.

[stu8]

Originally Posted by Matt_H18

Ok so I'm pretty sold on Cams now, do people with MR's change their cams? If so this would suggest little point in me going down the MR cam route?

There is less need for cams if you have a MR, the MR comes with the best cams in the evo range, and if you are not looking at over 400 hp (as thats generally considered the maximum safe limit of standard internals) they are adaquate, there would be gains from cams but not substancial

In comparrisson, the 260 has the mildest cams (evo 4 to 9 that i know of) so if you want over 350, cams are earlier on the list

If you want i can dig out some RR graphs, the car was same spec for both when i was getting the gems ecu i had at the time mapped, the only difference was the second map had GSC S1 cams, fidanza pulleys and 10.5 hotside

not only was there good power gains, but the area under the power curve was greatly improved

Stu

[stu8]

Originally Posted by Andy_8

Have you ever tested your theory ? I had 352bhp/365lbft on a standard 260 engine at 1.5bar

Change the standard cams only for GSC S1 and got 358bhp/380lbft

With the budget he has and not being able to do the cams himself i just don't see the point in the outlay for the return.

I repeated the test on my current engine set up. Again all that was changed was cams this time with springs and retainers swapping from 1st Gen GSC S1 to Kelford 272 and gained an extra 4.2 bhp peak and 5lbft with a smidgen gain in the mid range torque curve.

Again was i have to question if it's worth it for the gain especially as this guy is not on a massive budget.

yup, see my above post, same mapper, same rolling road, same ecu, only difference was the cams, adjustable pulleys and 10.5 hotside, i'll dig the graphs out later

(hopes my memory serves me correctly as it was a few years ago )

Stu